Madame Bovary e Anna Karenina.
Ambas grandes mulheres da literatura, ambas infiéis, ambas a sofrer os horrores da culpa, ambas levadas ao suicídio pela sua própria consciência. Ambas inventadas por homens.
posted by the visitor at 11:58 PM
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To judge by literature, adultery would seem to be one of the most remarkable occupations in both Europe and America.He discussed the great lovers of mediaeval Romance-Lancelot and Guinevere, Tristan and Iseult-and pointed out that the difficulty and unlawfulness of their love is part of the essence of their passion.Marriage is so to speak the social and normal framework of the human story- adultery is the great act of individual self-assertion and longing.
I believe that individual(sex) Love is a recent concern in human societies,and in our modern monogamous World is more difficult for women that for men- men are not condemned and ostracised for promiscuity as women are...
M.
it seems to me, my Dear M, that as long as humans don’t evolve towards a stage that we might call “another race” that will never change. Considering that this situation is not a new fact and is not even recent, what some call a human habit is in fact human nature. Unless we start reading Rousseau… of course …of course … of course …
My Dear Visitor,
Chaste, silent, obedient?Not likely!...Mmm, mediaeval romances!
I would have applied various approaches in order to place adultery into its aesthetic, social and cultural context, including sociological descriptions of modernity...What about marxist examinations of family as a social and economic institutions, or about Freudian/ psychoanalytic interpretations of family Life or the Feminist work on the construction of gender?... Certainly, we start reading(again) Rousseau...ok!
M.
Hi there again Miss M. To avoid misunderstandings, I must say that I mentioned Rousseau because of his theory (always used by the left wing parties) that says Man is the “good savage” and that society is the cause of all evil, if we fix society, we can fix Man , so they say. Let’s just say, euphemistically, that I’m not on that wave length. The fact that women are more condemned for promiscuity than men is not at all a new fact and it always evolved in that direction in every place of the world (or almost every). It didn’t go that way randomly or just because men wanted to, biology is a determinant factor in what we are as social beings. The need to control other people is present in everyone (men and women), the need to control the environment in which one lives in provides, obviously, more power. Men always wanted to control women like women wanted to control other women (competition) being even more severe when it comes to moral judgments, like women wanted to control men, and in many ways, they do, subtleness is the difference between the sexes, in which women are clear vanquishers.
Total freedom of action doesn’t exist (not to mention total equality). Nobody has it, no sex has it, liberty starts and ends when the liberty of the next person starts being affected or especially when our total freedom doesn’t even allow socialization and paradoxically prevents one from getting what it wants. The dependency of the relationships between the sexes forces people to adjust, to compromise some values, to give away some things to get some others. Values are built according to our feelings, according to what hurts us, like David Hume wrote, and not built on purely rational beliefs. What I mean is that some apparent inequalities are not just a product of the domination of a sex over the other one, but more about what each one, in general (we can only speak in general), was able to give away for relationships to be possible, considering that they are possible. Male and female sexuality have different implications, different consequences, different procedures and especially different motivations. Some want equal moral judgments, I would want it too, in theory, rationally speaking, if morals were a product of pure reason, but they are not, even the new EQ studies now focus on the importance that emotions have on ours lives and how they control the IQ in almost every field, preventing brilliant minds from achieving crystallized success.
Subverting a Freud’s sentence I feel like saying that everywhere I go to, I realize that the songwriters have already been there. That is why I feel like quoting the writer of the famous song “Real men” ….
“If there is war between the sexes then there will be no people left”
Wow,I'm still awake!((:
I would have liked(only)to say that the adultery was"unspeakable"in nineteenth-century society.I argue that between 1857 and 1914 adultery was, in fact a central preocupation in Western Culture.
My objective was to show that the two 19th century novels of female adultery share strong affinities with Rousseau's sexual politics ("Emile et Sophie ou Les Solitaires").This will also show that certain novels (Mme Bovary)of female adultery are novels about sexual politics and gender.
I suggest that throught Emma's reaction to the sexual politics of her time(which, for the most part, resembled Rousseau's views)we can imagine Sophie's despair when Emile removes his affection.
I have shown that Rousseau's sexual politics was influential on the writers of the nineteenth century.In looking back at Rousseau's model woman, Sophie, through Emma and Ana, we see that adultery is not a real issue.The important issues are freedom, equality, and personal identity, despair, psychological oppression-the list goes on.
Women did not merely read Rousseau, they tried to adopt his proposed form of education for women.
That's what I mean it...("We start reading (again) Rousseau")!
For contemporary theorists, defining woman in terms of sex remains A PROBLEM!
My apologies for faults/misprint...
"Miss"M.(adeleine)
De certa forma, quase receio uma Bovary ou uma Karenina inventada por uma mulher..
I would like("again?!",I know...)to suggest that for women, adultery is an expression of both sensuality and sexuality, a situation where the(Freudean)ID conquers the SuperEgo, thus violating its prohibitions.
In the case of Tolstoy, the punishment of the adultery is based on his latent Puritanism, his patriarchal world view, and his personal psychological state with his young wife(Btw,Tolstoy is a succesful writer, but an ugly man and his beautiful wife is seventeen yrs younger than he is...)
And, finally, Mme de Bovary:
A failed relationship of Flaubert with the poet Luise Colet caused his solitary life, and Flaubert's own dictum:"Mme Bovary c'est moi[...]".
At "The Visitor":
"If there is war[...]"-I agree, "Qui s'aime se taquine"
(an aprox.translation-"If one loves, one teases")
M.(adeleine)
Provavelmente uma Bovary ou uma Karenina inventada por uma mulher não seria tão atormentada pela própria consciência...
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